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If by "feelings" we mean the kind or "religious experience" i.e. a personal revelation of God that he exists, then no I don't think you wait, but neither should you ignore them if they come. I think you use whatever faculties of reason and observation you possess to find out what is or is not knowable in the meantime. <BR/><BR/>Here is a huge problem in my mind. People are unwilling to go where this kind of thought discovery leads them. They are not open to actually standing by their own reasoning and going with what they have discovered. They are unwilling to give up the comfort of what they think know for fear of discovering they are wrong.<BR/><BR/>And this goes for theists (of course) but just as much for agnostics and atheists. Like BR, they will latch on to their agnosticism or atheism and NOTHING will shake them off it, no matter how overwhelming the evidence. It is as scary for them to have to deal with an all-powerful being (it takes away their control) as it is for a believer to deal with the possibility God might not exist.<BR/><BR/>And so both sides have often put their heads in the sand and thrown pot shots at each other, never willing to actually consider moving off their staked out territory.<BR/><BR/>The only way that I can see past this MUST BEGIN with a willingness to change our beliefs, to be convinced of new things, or be disabused of our comfortable notions. If we are not truly at that point, no feelings or arguments or reasons will have any effect whatsoever. If we ARE at that point, then I think a systematic approach is best.Steely Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11075267341862340545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5535536712276271103.post-3559847422740789962008-05-17T10:57:00.000-06:002008-05-17T10:57:00.000-06:00Alex said... So then do we await the feelings befo...Alex said... <BR/>So then do we await the feelings before we decide on the fact?<BR/><BR/>Yes and No. As kids we believe what we're told, so we decide on fact before feelings. When we come of age, we grope and grapple for truth, we remember the facts but we believe on feelings. In the case of devine intervention (if you chose to believe in this or not) we might first receive the feelings before learning the facts. <BR/>The human condition, in most cases, is to believe blind, relying on some other person's claims as truth without seeing it for ourselves. If we do this as adults, we are doomed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5535536712276271103.post-45737155666105016412008-05-17T10:27:00.000-06:002008-05-17T10:27:00.000-06:00Bertrand Russell is an idiot and to draw a paralle...Bertrand Russell is an idiot and to draw a parallel between an Unmoved Mover, an Uncaused Cause, or an uncreated Creator shows him to be a fool.<BR/>There is no reason to believe in a teapot, nothing in logic or observation or rules of nature that indicates his existence, no laws of the universe that suggest that the teapot need exist.<BR/>But that is very different from a belief in God(whomever you decide he might be whether the God of the Bible or no). In fact, there are many reasons to believe in a God as opposed to a teapot. And getting taught about it from texts on Sunday has nothing to do with it except in so far as they are a response the the evidence that God exists.<BR/><BR/>Bertrand Russell not only ignores a large body or reasoning and philosophy and logic and science in his teapot analogy but he ridicules the religious experience of others that he has not experienced himself. So again, I say he is an idiot and a fool.<BR/><BR/>Actually, I am speaking tongue in cheek. Russell is no fool but a noted agnostic, mathematician, logician, and writer among other things. But, as I cannot post it all in a comment, you will have to wait for my blog to deal with all of the errors he makes in using this analogy.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02676851878031087415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5535536712276271103.post-24463387364249992172008-05-17T10:13:00.001-06:002008-05-17T10:13:00.001-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02676851878031087415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5535536712276271103.post-4333215486210102872008-05-17T10:13:00.000-06:002008-05-17T10:13:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02676851878031087415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5535536712276271103.post-73014397181002318052008-05-17T09:33:00.000-06:002008-05-17T09:33:00.000-06:00So then do we await the feelings before we decide ...So then do we await the feelings before we decide on the fact?Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04140708782408834309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5535536712276271103.post-36266810079243916572008-05-17T08:43:00.000-06:002008-05-17T08:43:00.000-06:00To me, the Celestial Teapot is nothing more than a...To me, the Celestial Teapot is nothing more than a theory. Sunday mornings have taught us more about feeling than theory. If your sunday mornings have not, i'm sad to say that you missed the mark on a major level. If we choose to believe the "Celestial Teapot Theory" as it has been taught to us by our teachers as fact, and we missed the sunday morning with it's 1500 pages of fact with faith and feeling, we have missed the mark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5535536712276271103.post-2621859292692108032008-05-17T08:09:00.000-06:002008-05-17T08:09:00.000-06:00Oh most definitely. I mean, if you are going to ch...Oh most definitely. I mean, if you are going to choose to believe in this, and stretch your imagination that far, why not go one step further and say it's a Chinese green tea pot, or an Indian Oolong tea pot, or a Orange Pekoe Tea pot and <I> believe it fully? </I>Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04140708782408834309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5535536712276271103.post-83806886624659176272008-05-17T00:15:00.000-06:002008-05-17T00:15:00.000-06:00I am curious as to what kind of tea that pot might...I am curious as to what kind of tea that pot might include. Would the world fight about their guesses as to the flavor?<BR/>missAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com